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Réplica Patek Thread: Patek Philippe - can anybody recommend an AD? Thread Tools Show Printable Version Subscribe to this Thread… Display Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode May 7th, 2007,  15:23 #1 hreljan View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Honors Member Join Date June 10th, 2005 Posts 3,265 Country United States State New Hampshire City Hampton Patek Philippe - can anybody recommend an AD? Can anybody point me to a Patek Philippe authorized dealer that discounts their watches (moderately, or even better heavily). Thanks in advance. Asking a question like this on Timezone would not be accepted warmly. -Ex falso quodlibet- Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  15:27 #2 pt4u67 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Honors Member Join Date April 27th, 2006 Posts 3,324 Good luck!! You won't find too many that do. Try this: http://www.alanfurman.com/noframes/patek1.html or this: http://www.jomashop.com/patekphilippe.html "Unfortunately, he takes no interest in anything but clothes, and again clothes. Even when out shooting, he is more occupied with his trousers than with the game." - Prince Albert speaking of his son, Prince Albert Edward. Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  15:30 #3 kitonbrioni View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Honors Member Join Date September 29th, 2004 Posts 4,744 Tourneau might "work out" a deal on a Patek if you have a trade-in or finance it over time. NM might bargain on a used Patek. Hidden Content Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  15:34 #4 Artisan Fan View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Honors Member Join Date July 21st, 2006 Posts 3,235 Pateks are said to be tough to get a deal on. Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  15:36 #5 zegnamtl View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Advanced Member Join Date April 18th, 2005 Posts 2,267 Mr. Kaufman of Kaufman du Swiss here in Montreal is a very nice man and still works at the store every day (last time I was in anyway) dispite his age and success. I don't know what arrangements he would make, but it may be worth a try. His daughter runs the shop, but deal with the dad. Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  16:16 #6 medwards View Profile View Forum Posts Honored Professor
Moderator, All Forums Join Date February 6th, 2005 Posts 5,114 Country United States State DC City Washington Originally Posted by pt4u67 Good luck!! You won't find too many that do. Try this: http://www.alanfurman.com/noframes/patek1.html or this: http://www.jomashop.com/patekphilippe.html Neither of these are authorized dealers as the OP initially asked. Rather, they operate on the "gray market." ADs are generally prohibited from selling such watches at deep discount. It is also generally the case that ADs must order and sell a certain number of watches in order to maintain their "authorized" status. This may be difficult for certain -- often smaller -- jewelry stores. To do this, therefore, some ADs and distributors order the requisite number of watches but then sell off some of them to such gray market discount houses. While such watches may be authentic, this generally voids the manufacturers guarantee. (In many instances, the gray market dealers substitute their own warranties instead.) Buying from such dealers may also affect the resale value of the item. Some of these dealers (like the one's cited in this posting) have been around for quite some time and are quite reputable, but one should always beware of online webstores that sell high end watches at substantial savings. A thorough investigation is always warranted. Last edited by medwards; May 7th, 2007 at 16:40 . Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  16:18 #7 mano View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Member Join Date March 16th, 2003 Posts 262 Country United States State Pennsylvania City Holland Originally Posted by hreljan Can anybody point me to a Patek Philippe authorized dealer that discounts their watches (moderately, or even better heavily). Thanks in advance. Asking a question like this on Timezone would not be accepted warmly. You're in New York. Go to Battery Park and there are 3-4 authorized dealers that sell Rolex and Patek Philippe. The best deals are the guy in the blue and yellow baseball cap on sideways and his royal purple velor pants hanging down around whatever area it's called between the hips and ugly parts. He usually wears a NY Rangers jersey. In case he's wearing another outfit (highly doubtful; he's got an image ya know) he has a deep scar going in a jagged line from the left side of his mouth to behind his ear. Whatever you do, don't ask him about the scar. Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  16:23 #8 pt4u67 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Honors Member Join Date April 27th, 2006 Posts 3,324 Originally Posted by medwards Neither of these are authorized dealers as the OP initially asked. Upon review I see I failed to recognize that in the original post. Thank you. "Unfortunately, he takes no interest in anything but clothes, and again clothes. Even when out shooting, he is more occupied with his trousers than with the game." - Prince Albert speaking of his son, Prince Albert Edward. Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  16:40 #9 Artisan Fan View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Honors Member Join Date July 21st, 2006 Posts 3,235 The best deals are the guy in the blue and yellow baseball cap on sideways and his royal purple velor pants hanging down around whatever area it's called between the hips and ugly parts. Boy their standards for ADs have dropped since I last shopped the brand. Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  16:50 #10 rip View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Visit Homepage Advanced Member Join Date July 13th, 2005 Posts 2,717 This is just not going to happen, not Patek. Your best bet, IMO, is to buy a good pre-owned model. Not that Pateks depreciate too dramatically, but a used will almost certainly hold its value, even appreciate if you buy carefully. If you want a really good selection of used to choose from, including some very collectible items at a fair price, Try Aaron Faber Gallery on 53rd just off 5th toward 6th, just down from Brooks Brothers 5th Ave. store. Try to deal with Edward Faber, the owner, and let him guide you to a good buy that will hold its value.. Any given day, he will have a dozen or so really nice Pateks. Or try Fossner's on 2nd Ave. and 55th, across from the Manhattan Antiques Center. His selection probably won't be quite as good as Faber's but his prices will be a little cheaper. I'm sure you are aware that under no circumstance other than stolen or fake are you going to get a Patek cheaply. For new, even on 47th Street, you are going to pay at least 70% of new, and since, IIRC, new Pateks begin at about $10,000 or better, you're still talking $7,000, but it is a Patek, and they just don't come any better. Train your eye in color, shape and balance, then train your brain to trust your eye. Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  16:56 #11 rip View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Visit Homepage Advanced Member Join Date July 13th, 2005 Posts 2,717 Originally Posted by mano You're in New York. Go to Battery Park and there are 3-4 authorized dealers that sell Rolex and Patek Philippe. The best deals are the guy in the blue and yellow baseball cap on sideways and his royal purple velor pants hanging down around whatever area it's called between the hips and ugly parts. He usually wears a NY Rangers jersey. In case he's wearing another outfit (highly doubtful; he's got an image ya know) he has a deep scar going in a jagged line from the left side of his mouth to behind his ear. Whatever you do, don't ask him about the scar. Why go to these guys when there are perfectly good brick-n-mortar stores on Canal Street with hundreds of Pateks for sale. I bought a really fine, authentic (so I was assured) Patek Phirripe Caratrava there for only $50 Train your eye in color, shape and balance, then train your brain to trust your eye. Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  17:08 #12 mano View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Member Join Date March 16th, 2003 Posts 262 Country United States State Pennsylvania City Holland Originally Posted by rip Why go to these guys when there are perfectly good brick-n-mortar stores on Canal Street with hundreds of Pateks for sale. I bought a really fine, authentic (so I was assured) Patek Phirripe Caratrava there for only $50 Thank you for giving a better answer. Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  17:31 #13 Asterix View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date June 6th, 2005 Posts 887 Country United States State WISCONSIN (WI) City Milwaukee Originally Posted by rip Why go to these guys when there are perfectly good brick-n-mortar stores on Canal Street with hundreds of Pateks for sale. I bought a really fine, authentic (so I was assured) Patek Phirripe Caratrava there for only $50 :icon_smile_big: " Tade kuu mushi mo sukizuki (There's no accounting for taste so to each his/her own) " --- Japanese Proverb. Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  17:37 #14 healinginfluence View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Member Join Date February 28th, 2006 Posts 274 Costco sells Patek. I doubt Costco is an AD dealer though. But the savings were substantial. I have seen the watches in one of their warehouses and online. Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  17:37 #15 medwards View Profile View Forum Posts Honored Professor
Moderator, All Forums Join Date February 6th, 2005 Posts 5,114 Country United States State DC City Washington To sum up, it would be very unusual to find a Patek Philippe authorized dealer selling such a watch at a deep discount, though a reduction of 15 percent is certainly possible. It may be possible to find reputable gray market discounters with price reductions up to 30 percent (but such watches will lack manufacturers warranties and completed papers). Used Patek Philippes may gain you a bit of a discount as well, but be mindful that again you want to deal with a reputable merchant and inasmuch as these watches hold their value very well, the savings will not be as substantial as one might hope. Indeed, if the reduction for a Patek Philippe is really considerable, be wary. Be very, very wary. Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  17:41 #16 medwards View Profile View Forum Posts Honored Professor
Moderator, All Forums Join Date February 6th, 2005 Posts 5,114 Country United States State DC City Washington Originally Posted by healinginfluence Costco sells Patek. I doubt Costco is an AD dealer though. But the savings were substantial. I have seen the watches in one of their warehouses and online. As they note on their website, Costco is not an authorized dealer. Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  17:41 #17 bespoke therapy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Member Join Date May 12th, 2005 Posts 150 My authorized dealer sells at 15% off, but to protect them I will not mention their name. Not to tantalize, the point is if you ask around you might get lucky. Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  17:44 #18 healinginfluence View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Member Join Date February 28th, 2006 Posts 274 I bought a Patek perhaps 15 years ago and had no trouble getting a 15 or 20% discount. I can't remember. And I purchased the watch from an authorized dealer. At the time the owner of the store was hungry. Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  17:46 #19 hreljan View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Honors Member Join Date June 10th, 2005 Posts 3,265 Country United States State New Hampshire City Hampton Thank you everybody, for your answers - especially to those who provided useful answers to my question, and additionally to those others for ensuring that no watch thread can go without mentioning "downtown/subway NYC watch scene". I am fully aware of Alan Furman and similar outfits, who can offer 25% off (or so). That's a good bargaining point for 47th street. IWC authorized dealers regularly come close (enough) to gray market prices. Just does not seem to be the case with Patek - and with Patek prices (as mentioned before) any discount is significant. Unfortunately I am looking for a fairly new model (5119) so finding it used is hard. -Ex falso quodlibet- Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  17:49 #20 healinginfluence View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Member Join Date February 28th, 2006 Posts 274 Good luck with your search. I have never seen a more beautiful watch than Patek. I hope you let us know what you decide. I made up my mind to buy only from a reputable AD. I never wanted to worry about whether I had the real McCoy. Now I actually seldom wear a watch. The time seems to be everywhere. I think of my Patek as a work of art. Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  17:52 #21 hreljan View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Honors Member Join Date June 10th, 2005 Posts 3,265 Country United States State New Hampshire City Hampton Originally Posted by healinginfluence Costco sells Patek. I doubt Costco is an AD dealer though. But the savings were substantial. I have seen the watches in one of their warehouses and online. Originally Posted by medwards As they note on their website, Costco is not an authorized dealer. I would still prefer Costco to an "ordinary" gray market dealer. -Ex falso quodlibet- Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  17:54 #22 healinginfluence View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Member Join Date February 28th, 2006 Posts 274 Originally Posted by hreljan I would still prefer Costco to an "ordinary" gray market dealer. Me too. Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  17:58 #23 medwards View Profile View Forum Posts Honored Professor
Moderator, All Forums Join Date February 6th, 2005 Posts 5,114 Country United States State DC City Washington Originally Posted by hreljan Unfortunately I am looking for a fairly new model (5119) so finding it used is hard. The Calatrava 5119 is an updated version of the Calatrava “Clous de Paris" and is very similar to its predecessor, the 3919 (which happens to be the PP that I have). They both have the hand guilloché hobnail patterned case and the same dial. The most significant change is that the size has been enlarged to a diameter of 36mm from the 3919's 33.5mm size...and I believe the 5119 has a crystal display back. The 3919 had a two-part case with a snap bezel in which the movement with a split-winding stem was inserted from the top. This new model has a three-part case with a screw-on back, eliminating the need for a split stem. But otherwise, the two watches look almost identical. Inasmuch as the 3919 was introduced in the mid-1980's, you may be able to find a used one at a more affordable price than a new 5119. Last edited by medwards; May 7th, 2007 at 18:02 . Reply With Quote May 7th, 2007,  18:03 #24 hreljan View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Honors Member Join Date June 10th, 2005 Posts 3,265 Country United States State New Hampshire City Hampton Originally Posted by medwards The Calatrava 5119 is an updated version of the Calatrava

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4.. cinturino Rolex in oro vero o falso?…anche in questo caso i falsi sfiorano la perfezione,infatti possiamo trovare in commercio dei Rolex con cassa in oro originale Rolex e cinturino in oro non originale,ma perfettamente timbrato Rolex e con la coroncina Rolex perfetta:2 modi per capire se il cinturino é originale o falso sono il peso e il colore;solitamente il cinturino rolex originale tende un po’ al colore rosé e il peso dei falsi é differente dagli originali.

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